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 Post subject: Re Goodbye Germany?
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:48 am 
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 Post subject: Re Goodbye Germany?
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:27 am 
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I work at a traditional German company in the food industry, which of course was swallowed by a group of large and still allowed to produce under the old name.

In my work we are currently about 350 of the Employed. Of these, all 50 sitting in the office. Of the remaining 300 are about 120 permanent employees, the rest are seasonal forces, trainees, interns, and what one has as yet erfonden for all high-sounding terms for.
Is not told, the busy work of the equally high number of 400-Ђ jobs, without which the production is not more software to maintain.

What are 400, Ђ-jobber?
You work 79h a month, but must join all the layers, so Fruh, spade and night shift and if they work in four layers containing at weekends.
Worth your life partner as much (ie, about 1,200, Ђ-net), then you get yourself not Hartz IV are the Ergo 400, Ђ an additional income, which costs about one sixth per hour for a permanent employee.
You get the other hand, Hartz IV and does a 400-Ђ job. Takes the position to an even 240, Ђ-off, the bottom line are earned for 79 hours only 160,-Ђ more. They are Ђ 2.02 per hour. and one has to Hartz IV together no 800, - Ђ in the bag.

Since one is still following question.

Hatz IV about 650, - Ђ
Hartz IV + 400,-Ђ = nearly 800-Ђ (here I am falling in, and I'm already 3 years there)
Hard setting: about 1,100 , Ђ-net (no one was more layer Supplements do not get)

So why work? And if none works, because he deserves nothing, how can he buy it? And if no one works and purchases, where the state gets its money?
The industry is Steuerbegunstigt, threatening because they may have to dismiss as we are leaving. But there is still money to be had.

Oh, something in passing. Our plant manager, the Group's nose gets set, 6mio year. Which are ever so blod, and put the wonder in the newspaper group, but then, when the workforce is grumbling, because they want to save with them again.


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 Post subject: Re Goodbye Germany?
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:46 pm 
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Hi little witch

You hit the nail on the head.
Who do I but that now and look at a your talk shows need is told out there open, and uninhibited in front of all Цffentlichkeit, for what I'm supposed to work, to go, who I of Hartz IV, or social better live than whom I'm working, I have no more questions to go with these settings, a country must be yes to the dogs. Earlier, you were put here for us in Switzerland with such an attitude to a work camp, now you get with this setting, IV, since you have an injury, very funny. There are people I can completely understand with such an attitude because this is more whom they do not work, but others not before.



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 Post subject: Re Goodbye Germany?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:45 am 
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Since whining from the German side, they had too few specialists, but the way you describe it here this does not surprise me at all.

Just so it looks like I had a better final rescheduled but I was just not possible with the money I had received from government regulators. And by the way of a job brings enough so that one about the round, and to help pay his rent includes electricity, telephone etc. for 6-8h-2h lessons plus 1 journey to school and back is simply unrealistic. Especially were the notes I am also suffer well (eg I know. I had to loose a few hours to learn math in a month, equations, etc.) because you simply do not have time to learn if one was then returning from school and work , time for friend and dog is not there ...


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 Post subject: Re Goodbye Germany?
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:53 am 
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Many things are just not for the paper and decided to each person.
What, you've worked seven years in sales, you also have good grades? We do not care if you have no merchant doctrine or a college degree.
A mercantile training looks like this, however Ubers Office





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30 men in a room with 30 PC. The trainers enter the room.
Good morning, I've got a recruitment test for DAK. Fullen that they made contact in 45 minutes. I'll come again, and we control this together. And he's gone.

After 6 hours, meanwhile we have our breakfast-, lunch, and the smokers made their smoke breaks, comes back the guy.
Are you finished? No? Well then, they work even still there the next 2 hours. He's gone again.

1:30 later. He comes in and let's sign the attendance register. Until tomorrow then.

And so will the price go for 6 months? I, for A-office and became complained. 2x, 3x, 5x as threaten me with short curves. But nothing is changed, as it falls yes 6 months out of the Statis. has ausgefullt
Well, the one in 1 1 / 4 hours, if you really every page Edit, yes, and what is not useful purpose. Then ...??? PC evt, something worked through the job search, and then added Bubbles, Tetris and how else do heiut Sun 5 days a week, 4 weeks a month, 6 months in a row away.
And hieu for Christmas that you can even bring your gifts purchased, the wind here, then together we have one. - No kidding.

As the previous speaker said already, you can pay something on their own little, or can not take off because it is a senseless by Ant-driven training in the next.
I'm sitting with 37 years namely, between the chairs. are required to work place it 25 or 50 years. Everything in between is, according to transition from the employers of the industry because we have these so full wages. Exception, of course, specialized forces. But the can (or rather will) ill afford another employer. Would rather find some Indian or Pakistani, instead of further developing our youth.

In all other respects I am not a Hartz-IV-receiver. According to definition, I am geringfugig busy with life in order to secure Maunahmen. So I'm not unemployed and do not belong to the current 3.188 million unemployed in Germany. But I belong to the 5.729 million people, belong to people wage replacement benefits under SGB III or
Benefits to cover living expenses under SGB II.
Secretive, in these figures, however, which received a lot of people, earn their partners said too much, no benefits and therefore appear in either of the statistics.
Underscore are from just below 82mio people in Germany anyway, only half in earning capacity age. And about 25% of which are without work and without sufficient means.

I you have described above my gross income. The poverty line (which can be equated with Pfandungsfreibetrag) currently stands at 939.99 monthly Ђ. Money that an asylum seeker has not safe to work every month, when its status is recognized only once. Before that, it is a little less.


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 Post subject: Re Goodbye Germany?
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:01 am 
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You're absolutely right little witch.
And it is the longer the worse.

The only thing that interested the employment office are probably the statistics. For all the unemployed who are in a Weiterbildungsmaunahme inside will not list of these as the current unemployment statistics.

All Hartz 4 receivers are also not in the unemployment statistics because they are not maintained by the employment office, but by the working group, which is again a very different club.

If you were including all of those into the statistics, we had nearly 5 million equivalent. Unemployed, or something similar.


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